Friday, 31 August 2007

thoughts from a master, part one

Selected from Wallace Stevens' "Adagia," published in his Opus Posthumous, pulled down from Mama Baroque's bookshelf yesterday. I'm typing them in here - there are an awful lot of them, and this is only selections - partly because I want to keep them and it's not my book, and partly because I'm thinking about a rarified thing: how we think about poetry. How we think about it as readers, yes, and also how we think about making it.

I'm writing quite a lot, and finding that I don't really feel like thinking about that too close to the surface. I could never, for example, do what Jane Holland did and describe the process of "fixing" a poem. To be honest I could barely even read the description! Too scary: once you've analysed how you do it it might never come back. I can remember doing my first-ever revisions in my early teens, and thinking: I have no idea if this is how writers do it! My methods have not changed in any real way since then.

I guess that's why good old Baroque in Hackney is so different from other so-called "poetry blogs" (so-called in my case, not theirs; they are much more brass tacks!). I just circle around the "how-to" part, but am passionately interested in the techincal part, and also in the more general ideas that might, if recognised within oneself, help to create an atmosphere in which falseness - of thought, feeling, observation, tone, even subject matter - cannot easily thrive.

Stevens writes:

Progress in any aspect is a movement through changes of terminology.

Each age is a pigeon-hole.

It is not that one purpose is as justifiable as another but that some purposes are pure, others impure. Seek those purposes that are purely the purposes of the poet.

Merit in poets is as boring as merit in people.

Definitions are relative. The notion of absolutes is relative.

Wisdom asks nothing more.

Parfait Martinique: coffee mousse, rum on top, a little cream on top of that.

It is life that we are trying to get at in poetry.

After one has abandoned a belief in god, poetry is that essence which takes its place as life's redemption.

Art, broadly speaking, is the form of life or the sound or colour of life. Considered as form (in the abstract) it is often indistinguishable from life itself.

Accuracy of observation is the equivalent of accuracy of thinking.

A grandiose subject is not an assurance of a grandiose effect but, most likely, of the opposite.

Art involves vastly more than the sense of beauty.

As life grows more terrible, its literature grows more terrible.

Poetry is not personal.

The romantic cannot be seen through: it is for the moment willingly not seen through.

The real is only the base. But it is the base.

Abstraction is a part of idealism. It is in that sense that it is ugly.

Not all objects are equal. The vice of imagism was that it did not recognise this.

All poetry is experimental poetry.

One has a sensibility range beyond which nothing really exists for one. And in each this is different.

In poetry, you must love the words, the ideas and the images and rhythms with all your capacity to love anything at all.

There is nothing beautiful in life except life.

The poet is the intermediary between people and the world in which they live and also, between people and themselves; but not between people and some other world.

Sentimentality is a failure of feeling.

Poetry is not the same thing as the imagination taken alone. Nothing is itself taken alone. Things are because of interrelations or interactions.

All of our ideas come from the natural world. Trees=umbrellas.

The ideal is the actual become anaemic. The romantic is often pretty much the same thing.

A poet must have something by nature and he must know more about the world by reason thereof.

The poet feels abundantly the poetry of everything.

Conceptions are artificial. Perceptions are essential.

Money is a kind of poetry.

Poetry is an effort of a dissatisfied man to find satisfaction through words, occasionally of the dissatisfied thinker to find satisfaction through his emotions.

The thing said must be the poem not the language used in saying it. At its best the poem consists of both elements.

A poet looks at the world the way a man looks at a woman.

To have nothing to say and to say it in a tragic manner is not the same thing as to have something to say.

The aesthetic order contains all other orders but is not limited to them.

Religion is dependent on faith. But aesthetics is independent of faith. The relative positions of the two might be reversed. It is possible to establish aesthetics in the individual mind as immeasurably a greater thing than religion. Its present state is the result of the difficulty of establishing it except in the individual mind.

The ultimate value is reality.

Realism is a corruption of reality.

Poetry is the sum of its attributes.

6 comments:

R.H. said...

"After one has abandoned a belief in god, poetry is that essence which takes its place as life's redemption."

How trite. And what blah.

And 'art', blah blah blah.
If you can't do it, talk about it.

CoirĂ­ FilĂ­ochta said...

Will understand if this is not the shop window for my extemporised ramblings katy..

Just thought i'd check in to get the numbers up, the 0 looks so lonely, and people will be larfin at yer, finkin you got no mates, withe all this carry on..

Stevens, i will have to get hold of him when i have paid the 100 quid fine from Kevin St library. I lost seven books including muldoons oxford lectures, which was no bad thing as he is a bleeding nutter just making i up, the critical prose..

I bumped into my cousin by sheer random chance, literally as i was chaining my bike up to go in the long room pub with sweeney and o'higgins, two amatuer prophets who do the scribbling with me. He was over from england walkng up the road and literally as i clicked the lock, he passed my line of vision..

Brendan my cousin was over for the first england - ireland rugby match to be played in croke park, home of gaa sports and a massive potential for naughty disruptives, due to the british national anthem, god save the queen which got played' as croker was the site of the original bloody sunday massacre on 21/11/1920.

This was when the british army came to a gaelic footbal match between Dublin and Tipperary, officially, they announced after the fact, to announce they wanted to search every one of the males in the ground of 5000 spectators; as they were after the men who killed 14 of the 18 special agents, the proto james bonds in "The Cairo Gang"; who ran the british spy network in dublin. Named after the Cairo cafe where they hung out..

As soon as the army arrived at the match they opened fire at random killing 15 people, and so naturally, the england ireland rugby match, the second ever rugby match to be played there, was fraught with potential danger.

But the irish stayed silent, not one voice spoiled it, and the anthem was played, and the brits even stayed quiet, mouthing in silence the words to their billionaire leader born to rule, chosen by god to do it and kept by the state in the 21C, in the nation of inclusion and fairness, equality for all. Yes they sensed the weight of history in the occassion. Indeed the british boozers do not sing in dublin like they do on the costas, as they just sense it, invisible druidic mist it is, the history here, living.

And anyway i ended up on the lash wiv me cousin and lost the books, but have been off the fags and booze 3 weeks now, cleaning up, jacking the kav and beehan vibe, going for the john noakes caper...Love and peace

Come join my guglag and speak wiv my sister about Art..

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Ms Baroque said...

RH, well, maybe in the circa ten pages of quotes and thoughts that I'm typing out for you because I thought there might be something to be gained from them in the practice of one's art - not only each individually but sometimes from the way they bounce off each other - maybe, as I say, you'll find something you can take something positive from. It doesn't have to be that one.

Stevens was arguably the most important American Modernist poet (discounting Eliot and Pound - he stayed home - and, regrettably, Williams, who has a lot to answer for): I'd say he has as much right to his thoughts on poetry as you have.

Des, you don't want to end up like a Behan, but maybe Dublin's the wrong city for altering that paradigm? Good luck with it. Did you get your mag?

So, I'm getting the impression the Stevens was more for me, then.

R.H. said...

I've praised you already.

My entire philosophy -if you want to know- was proclaimed today on Copperwitch.

-Robert
(On a blog-reply marathon)


(A blogroll)

Mark Granier said...

Katy, I think it was perfectly reasonable to post the Stevens selection. As you say, he earned the right to make any pronouncements on poetry he saw fit.

Many great and good writers are attracted to epigrams and aphorisms, the latter those carefully composed statements that hang somewhere between poetry and prose. Auden's essays are full of them. MacNeice (whose brilliant book on Yeats I am currently reading) comes up with some wonderful ones. More recently, of course, there is Don Paterson and Simon Armitage.

Stevens' Adagia has some great stuff. The big mistake would be to take any of it literally, as if it were spoken by some pompous fool making overly portentous judgements. The Adagia aphorisms and epigrams are POETRY before they are prose, so the voices are those of personae. Among my favourites are: "There is no wing like meaning." Reginald Shepherd summarised this neatly: "This posits meaning not as an end but as a means: a wing is something with which one travels, which takes one somewhere else. Given that poems are so often seen as vessels of meaning, it’s interesting that this aphorism makes meaning the vehicle, not the destination."

Here's another nice one:

"Poetry is a pheasant disappearing in the brush."

Jane Holland said...

I certainly agree with 'Poetry is not personal'. That's something you have to understand before you can write the good stuff.

A poem may start off as personal, somewhere in the back of your mind, that desire to capture a 'moment' or a relationship, but by the time you slip it into the envelope with some four or five others and wing it away to a magazine editor in the hope of publication, it's no longer 'my poem about mum's funeral' or 'my poem that's meant to frighten the shit out of my ex', it's now 'just another poem that I want to get published because it's a solid piece of work'.

Sorry you found my techie blog on poem-fixing hard to take, Katy. I was brought up in a house of writers, bloody writers everywhere, all of them scratching away at something every day and constantly discussing techniques, methods, strategies, blocks, galleys, typos, rivals and the usual literary gossip from whichever 'scene' they were involved in at the time.

So I don't get precious about my methods. I just does what I does because that's what I do.

Et cetera.

Jx